The intention was to allow for cheaper training. Here is what Frank de Haas says in my copy of his book. Sold later as surplus by the French to American military arms dealers such as Schuyler, Hartley and Graham. Though an obsolete, low-powered, short-range number, it still remained popular. For questions about our inventory, please write to: leroy@merzantique.com, Designed by Elegant Themes | Powered by WordPress. The culprit the financial " Panic of 1873" which didn't end until 1879. Several thousand were unsold until 1921, when most were transferred to warehouses of Remington agents and wholesalers to be sold at almost fire sale prices. Is there a cut off serial number for a Rem No 4 rolling block 22 being and antique? The 1920 train robbery led to their deaths and those of three lawmen. Numbers appear limited and were advertised in factory catalogs dated as late as 1882. There were two models: Short Transformed, with 36" barrel and two spring-held barrel bands; Long Transformed, with three barrel bands and 39" barrel. During the 43-year period, there were 356,000 guns sold. Many may well have been re-chambered during the 1960s re-barreling craze of surplus rolling block rifles and carbines. After making money in the gold mines around Virginia City, Montana Territory, Story hired some 30 men, mostly Confederate veterans, to help him herd 3,000 Longhorns from Texas to the grasslands of Montana Territory. Youll enjoy your membership in the most active gun club in America. Stocks usually have unit markings and individual serial numbers. [6], Both M1867's for civilian use and M1867's used by the Swedish Frivilliga Skarpskytterrelsen ("The Volunteer Sharpshooter Movement", patterned on the British Volunteer Force and numbering 40,000 men in 1865, all of them provided with military rifles and wearing military style uniforms by the Swedish armed forces) were made for, or converted to, centerfire 12.1744mmR cartridges since, unlike the 12.1742mm rimfire cartridges used in the military, the centerfire cartridges could be reloaded. During the American Civil War, gunsmith Leonard M. Geiger designed the basic action, in which the shooter rolled the breechblock backward with the thumb and inserted a cartridge in the breech, before the block rolled forward and the interlocking hammer cocked in one fluid motion. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Pattern (Modellexemplar), serial # 1. However, it is believed Remington had large numbers on hand and kept them in the catalog hoping certain customers would eventually buy them out. Essentially a Spanish Model rifle, with two bands and 30.5" barrel, all chambered for .43 Spanish cartridge. Capitalizing on Storys amazing story and other positive reports from Europe and elsewhere, the Remington company sold more than 1.5 million rolling-block rifles by the 1880s. Argentine variants are marked identically, having Knoxform chamber as well. It is estimated almost a quarter of a million were sold up to 1878-82. All production rifles were meant to be manufactured at Kongsberg Vpenfabrik in Norway, but since the factory needed to be upgraded with more modern machinery, 5000 of the first rifles delivered to the Norwegian Army were manufactured by Husqvarna Vapenfabrik in Sweden in 1871-72. In the last year of the Civil War, the U.S. government placed an order for what became known as Remington split-breech carbines, just before Riders final improvementstrengthening the breechblock by machining it out of a solid billet of steel. Roughly 5,000 were modified in 1888 and 1891 into carbines, firing 8 mm rimmed centerfire ammunition. You may be right that it sat in stock someplace. Advertised until 1882. Early muzzle plugs were a short, conical dowel made of wood, but soon a brass cup with a cut out for the front sight replaced it in service. For sale is a Remington Model 1871 Rolling Block single shot rifle in .50-70 Govt. Some factory carbines have both saddle ring and sling swivels. google_ad_client: "ca-pub-5708522835464660", The 8mm carbine conversions were kept in reserve until World War II, when most of the estimated 4,900 units were destroyed by German forces. On 8/9/99, stopped stamping the barrels with the date code. Those in original condition with both un-refinished metal and wood bring significantly higher prices as they are not common. All the serial numbers match in every location. Folks Need some help trying to determine the manufacture date of a Remington #6 22 LR falling block (not rolling block) single shot rifle. So as a stop-gap measure rifles and carbines with rolling-block action were converted to a for that time period very modern centerfire cartridge, the 858mmR Danish Krag (bullet diameter .322 in/8.17mm, bullet weight 237 grains/15.29 grams, muzzle velocity 1,965ft per second/600m/s), with the designation "gevr m/1867-89" used for converted rifles and "gevr m/1889" used for new rifles. For sale is a This is a no reserve penny auction for a Remington Model 2 Rolling Block single-shot rifle in .32 Rimfire. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The M1867 rifle became very popular among civilian hunters in Sweden, particularly for moose hunting, which led to Husqvarna Vapenfabrik producing about 85,000 rifles with the M1867 rolling-block action for the civilian market, in addition to the more than 100,000 they made for the armed forces. by roundtop Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:40 pm, Post It is often difficult to determine an original Remington made variant due to many examples having half-Swedish half-Remington components. The action was extremely strong, and could easily withstand the increased pressure of the new smokeless powders coming into use by the late 1880s. Prices for these three-band rifles are basically high in any condition. Realistically speaking, any Remington Rolling Block rifle whether re-chambered or modified from other versions that were sold by the company or its agents Schuyler, Hartley & Graham, (which would by 1900 become M. Hartley and Company) in .43 Spanish caliber was listed as "Spanish Model". Serial number 2232 features a 30-inch barrel, ladder rear sight and bayonet. This particular example has a 26" octagon barrel in caliber .32 rimfire. That's OK it's how you learn. This rifle appears to have been converted to 25 RF as a 5 is struck over the 2 on the underside of the barrel. I do not remember if I was gathering information at that time. Introduced in 1901 it was available in 5 calibers from 22Short thru 32 long. In any case, the cowboys used the Remingtons effectively in fighting off an Indian attack near Fort Reno (in what would become Wyoming). They are otherwise identical to the original second and third Spanish contract rifles, aside from the 12.11mm chambering. I sold my original Rolling block and the book I bought on Rolling Blocks. Manufactured from 1866 to 1917, the Remington rolling-block cartridge rifle was so popular that more than half the worlds armies adopted it or purchased quantities for police or martial purposes. I think this would make it an early if i'm not wrong. With the exception of the first 10,000 rifles and 20,000 actions (for conversions of older rifles), which were made by Remington in the US, all Remington M1867 rifles and carbines were made under license in Norway and Sweden, by Kongsberg Vaapenfabrik in Norway, and by Husqvarna Vapenfabriks Aktiebolag and Carl Gustafs stads Gevrsfaktori in Sweden with the two Swedish manufacturers producing about 80% of the weapons. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. The price for each barrel was slightly higher, but the better design reduced misfire damage and ultimately resulted in cost effectiveness. Those Egyptian rifles sold to France are the only specimens that occasionally surface in any appreciable condition. History is who we are and why we are the way we are.. Blue Book value: 90% - $700 80% - $500 70% - $400 These kits consisted simply of tubes to be inserted into the rifle from the breech, containing a chamber for the 22LR and a short barrel. Subscribe to receive our weekly newsletter with top stories from master historians. Simpson, O.H. Hunters, lawmen, adventurers, homesteaders and many others appreciated the strong, accurate and well-made Remington rolling block. R2345 SERIAL NUMBER 96 REMINGTON 1-1/2 ROLLING BLOCK SPORTING RIFLE; 25-10 RF, 24 inch octagon barrel with a bright near excellent bore showing some light shadows ahead of the chamber and crisp rifling. I think it is safe to assume that the rifle was made sometime in 1879 or no earlier then 1878. We may never know. France practically put Rolling Block tooling into full production following 1914-15 World War One French Contract. google_ad_slot = "3335216935"; The Remington Model 4 is a rolling block, solid-breech, hammerless, takedown, top-ejection rifle. One needs to be sure that the barrel is original to the gun before trusting the Barrel Code listing, above. Required fields are marked *. The Remington totalled a mere 25 parts to the Peabody's 37, and it was approved for use by both the Norwegian and the Swedish armed forces, as their standard military rifle, on 22 November 1867. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({
These are great little rifles, and yours appears to be in much better than average condition, and it looks like you got a very good price on it. So, it would appear your estimate is very close. It is chambered for 7mm rimless and has bar extractor. (this number may not be operations since Remington moved to the deep south). Caliber is 12.11mm Swedish Remington rimfire. These were made before Rem used a date code. Serial number- N/A. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. date is May 30, 1864 and last one is march 18, 1874 the best I can make it out. Remington Rolling Block is a family of breech-loading rifles that was produced from the mid-1860s into the early 20th century by E. Remington and Sons (later Remington Arms ). Model 1896 was offered in 7mm Spanish Mauser, 7.65mm Mauser, .30/40 Krag, 6mm (.236 Remington) and 7.62/.30 Remington. This gun, designed by F.A. A very reasonable explanation for why a rifle made in in 1874 might have an 1879 Plaque. The serial number is in the 13,000 range. On both tangs it has the #79 stamped. They have become a true scarcity. Action - single shot rolling block Caliber - .45-70 Government Barrel - 30" sporter weight, 1 turn in 18" twist Sights - blade front, adjustable buckhorn rear Trigger - single stage; single set trigger optional Stock - shotgun style buttstock with checkered pistol grip and checkered forend Overall length - 46.5" Weight - 8.75 pounds For several hours, the cowboys kept up a steady stream of fire from the rapid firing rolling blocks and forced the Sioux to retreat. The first Remington rolling block introduced in the smokeless period was the Remington Model 1897. I have 3 other rollers, two no#5's and one #1. Many of these were converted into hunting rifles and shotguns, so that it has become difficult to find an M1867 in its original form. Pull off your stock and look on the front and see if it is the same serial number as the rest. Note: Add 100% for those Model 1879 Argentine rifles and carbines showing 80 to 100 percent case colors and all original raised grain wood and deep blue finish. The latest is a #2 Sporting rifle in .22 LR. Ironically with 100,291 produced, they have highest production record of Remington Military Rolling Block of smokeless powder era. The Swedish designations for the converted rifles were "gevr m/1860-68", "gevr m/1864-68" and "gevr m/1860-64-68" depending on how many steps of conversion they had gone through (the two latter conversions are easily recognized by having the rear sight very far back, a result of the barrels being shortened from the breech end). The barrel, the tang and the forearm snabble all have the same serial number. The action was extremely strong, and could easily withstand the increased pressure of the new smokeless powders coming into use by the late 1880s. It has breech block like no#1 except it has small fireing pin. CONDITION: The bore is smooth and bright with no signs of roughness. An expert rifleman, Remington claimed, could fire 17 shots a minute with the rolling-block rifle. The following serial number Ed. History is a guide to navigation in perilous times. I'll bet it's real unique. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. They state that this version's serial numbers went up to about 144,000, but also that there is some overlap in the serial numbers with the second version. SERIALNUMBER 344812, LENGTH OF PULL IS 13 1/4" (GREAT BOY'S STARTER GUN) TO THE ORIGINAL STEEL BUTT PLATE AND 22 1/2" ROUND BARREL.THIS MODEL WAS MADE FROM 1900 TO 1930. [8] rolling-block rifles chambered for the 858mmR were shorter than the M1867 rifles, with an overall length of 1,240mm (48.8in) and a barrel length of 840mm (33.1in).[9]. One model of Swedish military M1867 rifles modified to use the 12.1744mmR centerfire cartridge was the "gevr m/1867-74". The frame is a small to medium size between the heavy actions of the target and military rifles but larger than the small-frame .22 rifles. However, late REMINGTON ARMS CO. tang-dated versions are the only known Spanish Models having EJERCITO DE GUATEMALA (Army of Guatemala) stamped over the chamber between the receiver and rear sight. 1879." Loomis, was introduced in 1890 and produced through 1933. Using barrel codes (such as those listed above) to date the manufacture are reliable on Remington rifles, as the company rarely changed barrels on a customers rifle. Nearly all these rifles display heavy usage and pitting along the wood-to-metal fit areas and are found in good condition at best. HistoryNet.com is brought to you by HistoryNet LLC, the worlds largest publisher of history magazines. Required fields are marked *. Consenting to these technologies will allow us to process data such as browsing behavior or unique IDs on this site. After leaving two wounded cowboys at the fort, Storys party of 28 pushed on, and in late October 1866, north of Fort Kearny, they faced even greater oddsan estimated 500 Sioux warriors readying for an attack. All have spring retained three-band long saber bayonet lug. So, it would appear your estimate is very close. Quite possible you've seen the rifle. HistoryNet.com contains daily features, photo galleries and over 25,000 articles originally published in our nine magazines. Advertised commercially from 1875 through 1902, this .43 Spanish caliber Remington Rolling Block accounts for largest number of production, with something over 1.5 million sold from 1869 to 1910. enable_page_level_ads: true
Standard original sights. Ed, Ill try amd post a pic tomorrow. Hi Clark, Nice rifle. This variation is part of 9,000 to 13,000 surplus Greek 1869 Contract Models that were diverted from Greece and sold to France during Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71. The barrel retains a good deal of original blue beginning to turn brown with scattered light dings. They all have the number on left side (I think) and it's on the upper and lower tang. Today I purchased an early no#5 rolling block rifle. Named after the Spanish Civil Guard, but never been proven to be issued to them. [17] Guns with decorative brass Islamic crescents and Arabic inscriptions on the buttstock are not uncommon on the collector's market. While our Army ultimately went with the Springfield Trapdoor, the Navy chose the Model 1867 Remington-made rolling block carbine in .50-45, then ordered a further 10,000 Model 1870 rolling block rifles in .50-70 Gov't made at Springfield Armory under license. Original rear sight is missing the elevator and the front is a replacement steel blade in front sight base. It gave all the information you asked for. JavaScript is disabled. All were sold in the smokeless powder German 7.92mm Mauser chambering, since Mexico and most other Latin American countries had been using that cartridge since 1893. Original Spanish Contract Model. The serial number is in the low 3,000 range. This was a generic Remington Rolling Block chambered for .50-70 Government cartridge, with 36" barrel and three barrel bands. I was just curious as to what they mean, or can tell us about the rifles. Among the known purchasers of the surplus Spanish Model rifles was Meiji Era Japan, which since 1868 had made at least three sizeable orders of the surplus Remington rolling block rifles of the 1868 Swedish contract. First April, 1897 catalog listed Remington's new Smokeless Powder Small Bore Military Rifle as Model 1896 until end of the year when it became Model 1897. and so on: B L A C When in excellent to very good condition, add 25 percent premium for M1896 in any caliber. The plaque reads " From Stewart and James to Robert. If it is i've got one of the first no#5's. The first Remington rolling block introduced in the smokeless period was the Remington Model 1897. The Dominican Republic was one of the last recorded customers purchasing a quantity as late as 1888. The cowboys nearly all had muzzleloading rifles and cap-and-ball revolvers that all took a long time to load a drawback that could prove deadly when traveling on the Bozeman Trail through hostile Indian country. About 5,000 of the rifles made in Sweden were delivered to Norway while the rest of the production was for Sweden. Your email address will not be published. Both versions are scarce. Generally someone is available to answer your call M-Ffrom 9am to 5pm, CentralTime. The early production rifles had an L-shaped sight that could be flipped over, but the final design was a unique combination of other ideas. Occasionally one gets a little information as to a manufacturing year. Production of the Model 2 started in 1873 and lasted until 1910. ILION NY. E. Remington & Sons, Americas oldest firearms manufacturer, took over Geigers patent and assigned one of its chief engineers, Joseph Rider, to make the necessary refinements. Early slot extractor, three-band rifle with no provision for saber bayonet lug, leaf adjustable rear sight, spring held barrel bands. In 1868, Sweden procured 10,000 complete Remington rifles and 20,000 actions. google_ad_width = 160; By this time calibers were limited to 7mm Mauser and .30/40 Krag chambering. By 1866 the Remington-Rider rolling block rifle had evolved. The #4 was made between 1890 and 1933. Several different cartridges and rifles were considered by the commission. Egypt also purchased carbines and musketoons in mid to late 1870s as well, but their numbers are unknown, however, condition of most are similar to the aforementioned. These - along with the repeating rifles - were dropped from further testing. In .43 Spanish it was the chief service arm of the Spanish Army from 18691893, and was used by reserve and militia forces for many years thereafter. Over 98,000 7mm Remington Model 1897/02/10 rifles were produced until 1918. Stamping starts with Remington,(not E Remington). Not consenting or withdrawing consent, may adversely affect certain features and functions. Additionally, the designers improved the lock by replacing two lockscrews with a lockplate. Remington had something radically new to offer, and the new gun temporarily saved the company from bankruptcy. Later 31,551 rifles and about 4,600 carbines were made at the government owned rifle factory in Copenhagen. This may be determined by attempting to chamber a .43 Spanish cartridge of which .125" will protrude if in the original caliber. It appears to be the first series of the No. In modern times, such an addition became known as Model 1910 for collector convenience, but again was not an official Remington Arms Company term. Offered as late as 1882, this .58-caliber Berdan centerfire was one of the early ventures of Rolling Block. The Model 2 is easy to distinguish from all other Rem RB's by its curvature at the rear of the frame where it joins the buttstock. The Smith & Wesson model 36, also known as the Chiefs Special, is one of the most distinctive revolvers to emerge from the 20th century. These were made in Lige, Belgium, in .43 Egyptian calibre and were issued with a sword bayonet. Prices below reflect the original Remington product. That marking by itself narrows its date of manufacture considerably as it was used on arms manufactured from 1852 to 1888. I wish I still had it. number rifle was most likely made in 1873. Remingtion firearms In the 1860s the Norwegian and Swedish armies realized that their standard rifles, both percussion lock breech-loading rifles and muzzle loaders, were rapidly becoming obsolete in the face of the new metal cartridge combining bullet, primer and propellant load. They state that this version's serial numbers went up to about 144,000, but also that there is some overlap in the serial numbers with the second version. Between 1866 and 1896, repeating rifles made great strides in the West, but many individuals still chose the powerful, reliable single-shot rolling block. Serial number- N/A. near the frame that identifies the year and month of These revolvers were designed with a snub-nose barrel, which makes it [], The Colt 1860 Army revolver, also known as the Colt U.S. Cavalry revolver, was widely during the American Civil War. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. K P O W D E R X, Serial Numbers by date (factory record book). As late as 1918, bandidos armed with rolling blocks were still raiding border settlements, but they found themselves outgunned by U.S. lawmen and state militiamen. Remington Rolling Block Sporterized 7x57mm Mauser 30" Barrel 8lbs 2oz 13 1/2" LOP Walnut Sporter Style Stock with Sling Swivels. Production was halted in 1888 and the last rifles were decommissioned in 1940.